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		<title>By: Maritime Monday 160</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-118206</link>
		<dc:creator>Maritime Monday 160</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 08:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Obama Delaying Repeal of Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama Delaying Repeal of Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and religion are yaying and naying legislation based on the perspectives they were raised with. Ever tried to change your conservative grand-pas opinions about guns and god? Did you succeed? Didn&#8217;t think so. Hopefully, they&#8217;ll begin to hear the voice of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and religion are yaying and naying legislation based on the perspectives they were raised with. Ever tried to change your conservative grand-pas opinions about guns and god? Did you succeed? Didn&#8217;t think so. Hopefully, they&#8217;ll begin to hear the voice of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RickWilmes</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-110225</link>
		<dc:creator>RickWilmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 03:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Intellectual fascism&quot; sounds like a package deal.  I need to think about &quot;intellectual fascism&quot; some more before I can comment further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Intellectual fascism&#8221; sounds like a package deal.  I need to think about &#8220;intellectual fascism&#8221; some more before I can comment further.</p>
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		<title>By: UltimaRatioReg</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-110224</link>
		<dc:creator>UltimaRatioReg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I termed it &quot;intellectual fascism&quot;.  Fascism: The forcible suppression of opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I termed it &#8220;intellectual fascism&#8221;.  Fascism: The forcible suppression of opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: UltimaRatioReg</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-110222</link>
		<dc:creator>UltimaRatioReg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jay,

So, the opinions and views of the people protesting are also to be discounted?  Not many count, do they?  I mean, outside of yours, of course.  The affidavit is public record.  

A news outlet that has an established reputation for presenting facts.....  hmmmm...  maybe CNN.  Or MSNBC.  Or CBS.  Dan Rather always has facts galore.  

Or, perhaps you prefer Howard Dean&#039;s sponsorship of a bill in VT in 1999 mandating education for all public school students in &quot;Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, and Questioning Youth&quot;?  That is one I will let you look up, as I have a paper copy.  Also public record.  The &quot;education&quot; included classes on the lifestyles and the sensitivities of &quot;GLBTQ&quot;.  

Sponsorship by many middle and high schools in MA of &quot;youth gay pride&quot; days?  

Or how about this?

The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force sponsors a conference called &quot;Creating Change.&quot; The November meeting in Milwaukee included workshops entitled &quot;Bringing Homosexuality Out of the Closet and Into the Classroom;&quot; &quot;Drag 101: How to Turn Kids in Makeup Into Kings and Queens;&quot; and &quot;Advocacy in Action: Getting Your School on Board&quot;.  Guest speaker?  Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis.  Lesbian activist.

Unless, of course, you are going to claim that none of those happened, either.  

You asked for one, you got many.  Not much of a drawing board required.  Though it is likely hardly noticeable in the schools, in between the anti-war (Vietnam and Iraq), anti-gun, global-warming political indoctrination.  

Advocacy will be the result in DoD, as it often becomes in the schools.  Activists and the risk-averse politically correct senior officers will bring that about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jay,</p>
<p>So, the opinions and views of the people protesting are also to be discounted?  Not many count, do they?  I mean, outside of yours, of course.  The affidavit is public record.  </p>
<p>A news outlet that has an established reputation for presenting facts&#8230;..  hmmmm&#8230;  maybe CNN.  Or MSNBC.  Or CBS.  Dan Rather always has facts galore.  </p>
<p>Or, perhaps you prefer Howard Dean&#8217;s sponsorship of a bill in VT in 1999 mandating education for all public school students in &#8220;Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, and Questioning Youth&#8221;?  That is one I will let you look up, as I have a paper copy.  Also public record.  The &#8220;education&#8221; included classes on the lifestyles and the sensitivities of &#8220;GLBTQ&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Sponsorship by many middle and high schools in MA of &#8220;youth gay pride&#8221; days?  </p>
<p>Or how about this?</p>
<p>The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force sponsors a conference called &#8220;Creating Change.&#8221; The November meeting in Milwaukee included workshops entitled &#8220;Bringing Homosexuality Out of the Closet and Into the Classroom;&#8221; &#8220;Drag 101: How to Turn Kids in Makeup Into Kings and Queens;&#8221; and &#8220;Advocacy in Action: Getting Your School on Board&#8221;.  Guest speaker?  Tammy Baldwin, D-Wis.  Lesbian activist.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you are going to claim that none of those happened, either.  </p>
<p>You asked for one, you got many.  Not much of a drawing board required.  Though it is likely hardly noticeable in the schools, in between the anti-war (Vietnam and Iraq), anti-gun, global-warming political indoctrination.  </p>
<p>Advocacy will be the result in DoD, as it often becomes in the schools.  Activists and the risk-averse politically correct senior officers will bring that about.</p>
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		<title>By: RickWilmes</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-110220</link>
		<dc:creator>RickWilmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 02:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding of history is that fascists persecuted homosexuals?

Equating fascism with openly gay service members is a stretch or more confusion about the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of history is that fascists persecuted homosexuals?</p>
<p>Equating fascism with openly gay service members is a stretch or more confusion about the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-110217</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 01:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>URR -- The facism card again.  Well played.  I guess if you are the first to use it...it sticks?  Prob is, if you use it too much, or too often, it loses whatever power the word once had.  Good luck with that.

Never said anything about them being forced to give up their beliefs.  They are welcome to them.  They are welcome to keep them.  But, they don&#039;t get to impose them on others.  And, I still think, eventually, most will come around.  

This part in the tidbit was particularly interesting: &quot;protest what they see as promotion of the homosexual agenda in schools by state and local educators&quot;

The homosexual agenda?  Is that some sort of sinister UN-backed plot?  Please.  What&#039;s next, the evils of flouridation a la Dr. Strangelove?

The only thing more interesting than that is the...byline.  CNSN news.com?  Really?

Next time, please try harder for a news outlest with an established  reputation for presenting facts, not just outrage headlines/soundbites.

Now, back to the drawing board you go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>URR &#8212; The facism card again.  Well played.  I guess if you are the first to use it&#8230;it sticks?  Prob is, if you use it too much, or too often, it loses whatever power the word once had.  Good luck with that.</p>
<p>Never said anything about them being forced to give up their beliefs.  They are welcome to them.  They are welcome to keep them.  But, they don&#8217;t get to impose them on others.  And, I still think, eventually, most will come around.  </p>
<p>This part in the tidbit was particularly interesting: &#8220;protest what they see as promotion of the homosexual agenda in schools by state and local educators&#8221;</p>
<p>The homosexual agenda?  Is that some sort of sinister UN-backed plot?  Please.  What&#8217;s next, the evils of flouridation a la Dr. Strangelove?</p>
<p>The only thing more interesting than that is the&#8230;byline.  CNSN news.com?  Really?</p>
<p>Next time, please try harder for a news outlest with an established  reputation for presenting facts, not just outrage headlines/soundbites.</p>
<p>Now, back to the drawing board you go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: UltimaRatioReg</title>
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		<dc:creator>UltimaRatioReg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Burma Shave*

And your idea that people will &quot;just have to stay outraged&quot; until they are forced to give up their beliefs is, well, more than a little fascist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Burma Shave*</p>
<p>And your idea that people will &#8220;just have to stay outraged&#8221; until they are forced to give up their beliefs is, well, more than a little fascist.</p>
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		<title>By: UltimaRatioReg</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/04/27/dont-ask-dont-tell-is-irrelevant-for-todays-military/comment-page-4/#comment-110179</link>
		<dc:creator>UltimaRatioReg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 22:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unless you have something firm&quot;...

&#039;MONTPELIER, Vt. (BP)--A group of Vermont parents met at the State
Capitol in Montpelier Tuesday to protest what they see as promotion of the homosexual agenda in schools by state and local educators, according to CNSNews.com

Tuesday&#039;s protest was sparked in part by an incident at a local school where a student said he was exposed to &quot;homosexual harassment&quot; in the classroom.

In a study of genealogy, a teacher said that homosexuality was
inherited, putting forward a controversial thesis that has never been proven. When the student questioned the teacher, the teacher asked the student if he was &quot;homophobic&quot; or &quot;had problems with his sexuality,&quot; the student said in an affidavit. The teacher is a facilitator with the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.&#039; 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unless you have something firm&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;MONTPELIER, Vt. (BP)&#8211;A group of Vermont parents met at the State<br />
Capitol in Montpelier Tuesday to protest what they see as promotion of the homosexual agenda in schools by state and local educators, according to CNSNews.com</p>
<p>Tuesday&#8217;s protest was sparked in part by an incident at a local school where a student said he was exposed to &#8220;homosexual harassment&#8221; in the classroom.</p>
<p>In a study of genealogy, a teacher said that homosexuality was<br />
inherited, putting forward a controversial thesis that has never been proven. When the student questioned the teacher, the teacher asked the student if he was &#8220;homophobic&#8221; or &#8220;had problems with his sexuality,&#8221; the student said in an affidavit. The teacher is a facilitator with the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.&#8217; </p>
<p>You mean, like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Byron -- No.  I am always quick to point out to any of my mil friends who want to take on some &quot;Praetorian Guard&quot; idea that they are separate from, or better than society, that that is exactly *not* the case.  The military is a subset of society, draws from it, and reflects it.

The military (more the Army) may have had its own culture 70 and + years ago (regular army, not national guard...) -- when the force was much smaller, the bases were far apart &amp; isolated, the pay was so low that commissaries and other on-post facilities were the only way to survive economically.  The Navy normally always located near commercial seaports, and due to worldwide travel, had a more cosmopolitan flavor.

After WWII, that insularity has eroded so much, that it really isn&#039;t there anymore.

On other blogs (this one?) when talking about the all-volunteer force vs. draft, etc. I think one of the problems with the AVF is you do get almost &quot;too much&quot; similarity, which leads to group think, which is why I think CDR S&#039;s constant probs with diversity on his blog are misguided.

The military has practically every flavor of American in it, with the few exceptions.  (Immediately the few exceptions that come to mind are the very elderly, or those who can&#039;t meet a minimum physical qualification stanard, etc.)

URR -- you really are confusing equality with advocacy.  Unless you have something firm (pehaps a townhall.com headline, &quot;Massachusetts and Vermont children forced into mandatory reeducation camps against their parent&#039;s wishes&quot;?) I am unaware of the states doing anything more than recognzing relationship equality.  If that is advocacy to you...well, ok.

I guess the folks who are morally outraged...are just going to stay outraged.  For a while.  Likely, over time, they&#039;ll come around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byron &#8212; No.  I am always quick to point out to any of my mil friends who want to take on some &#8220;Praetorian Guard&#8221; idea that they are separate from, or better than society, that that is exactly *not* the case.  The military is a subset of society, draws from it, and reflects it.</p>
<p>The military (more the Army) may have had its own culture 70 and + years ago (regular army, not national guard&#8230;) &#8212; when the force was much smaller, the bases were far apart &amp; isolated, the pay was so low that commissaries and other on-post facilities were the only way to survive economically.  The Navy normally always located near commercial seaports, and due to worldwide travel, had a more cosmopolitan flavor.</p>
<p>After WWII, that insularity has eroded so much, that it really isn&#8217;t there anymore.</p>
<p>On other blogs (this one?) when talking about the all-volunteer force vs. draft, etc. I think one of the problems with the AVF is you do get almost &#8220;too much&#8221; similarity, which leads to group think, which is why I think CDR S&#8217;s constant probs with diversity on his blog are misguided.</p>
<p>The military has practically every flavor of American in it, with the few exceptions.  (Immediately the few exceptions that come to mind are the very elderly, or those who can&#8217;t meet a minimum physical qualification stanard, etc.)</p>
<p>URR &#8212; you really are confusing equality with advocacy.  Unless you have something firm (pehaps a townhall.com headline, &#8220;Massachusetts and Vermont children forced into mandatory reeducation camps against their parent&#8217;s wishes&#8221;?) I am unaware of the states doing anything more than recognzing relationship equality.  If that is advocacy to you&#8230;well, ok.</p>
<p>I guess the folks who are morally outraged&#8230;are just going to stay outraged.  For a while.  Likely, over time, they&#8217;ll come around.</p>
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