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	<title>Comments on: New film about Pappy Boyington chronicles controversy over naming an airport after him</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Failings and all I liked the guy. He seemed to be a pretty good leader. I would go with what he himself said in his book, &quot;Show me a hero and I&#039;ll show you a bum.&quot;

Does he deserve a field named after him? Yes. As if you look at his history of not only his accomplishments, you will see some great object lessons in what not to do in the area of flying safety. So if you stop and think about that for a second,it is part of your flying safety brief.

He fought hard, endured being a POW of the Japanese no less and that should be enough. And with all that, you can find some excellent examples of his combat leadership.

Alcoholic? He himself admitted as much. For war, he was definitely the &quot;break glass in case of emergency&quot; kind of guy. 

He has the Medal of Honor to his name, lets honor him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failings and all I liked the guy. He seemed to be a pretty good leader. I would go with what he himself said in his book, &#8220;Show me a hero and I&#8217;ll show you a bum.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does he deserve a field named after him? Yes. As if you look at his history of not only his accomplishments, you will see some great object lessons in what not to do in the area of flying safety. So if you stop and think about that for a second,it is part of your flying safety brief.</p>
<p>He fought hard, endured being a POW of the Japanese no less and that should be enough. And with all that, you can find some excellent examples of his combat leadership.</p>
<p>Alcoholic? He himself admitted as much. For war, he was definitely the &#8220;break glass in case of emergency&#8221; kind of guy. </p>
<p>He has the Medal of Honor to his name, lets honor him.</p>
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		<title>By: Ground Side</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ground Side</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marine Air, on time and on target.  Thank you to Pappy and all the WWII figher pilots, an honor for one is an honor for all.

Semper Fi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marine Air, on time and on target.  Thank you to Pappy and all the WWII figher pilots, an honor for one is an honor for all.</p>
<p>Semper Fi</p>
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		<title>By: Flattop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flattop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gamble also wrote a biography of Boyington, &quot;Black Sheep One.&quot;

I noticed that the originial post reported Boyinton&#039;s aerial victories total as 28 which he has been officially credited with by the Marine Corps.  However, Gamble writes that Boyington may have shot down only two planes in China as part of the AVG instead of the six he is credited with.  Boyington was paid for two aerial victories and 3.75 planes destroyed on the ground which he rounded up to four.  If this is correct, it means Boyington actually places third behind Robert Hansen (25) and Joe Foss (26) among Marine Corps aces.

Boyington&#039;s Marine combat record is still very impressive, and I don&#039;t understand the problem of naming an airport after him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gamble also wrote a biography of Boyington, &#8220;Black Sheep One.&#8221;</p>
<p>I noticed that the originial post reported Boyinton&#8217;s aerial victories total as 28 which he has been officially credited with by the Marine Corps.  However, Gamble writes that Boyington may have shot down only two planes in China as part of the AVG instead of the six he is credited with.  Boyington was paid for two aerial victories and 3.75 planes destroyed on the ground which he rounded up to four.  If this is correct, it means Boyington actually places third behind Robert Hansen (25) and Joe Foss (26) among Marine Corps aces.</p>
<p>Boyington&#8217;s Marine combat record is still very impressive, and I don&#8217;t understand the problem of naming an airport after him.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Air Force Sarge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Air Force Sarge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live the memory of Pappy Boyington! We all have our personal failings and peccadillos. However, not many of us have put our lives on the line when our country called. Rest in peace sir. Semper Fi!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live the memory of Pappy Boyington! We all have our personal failings and peccadillos. However, not many of us have put our lives on the line when our country called. Rest in peace sir. Semper Fi!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Boyington several times when I was a teenager (spoke to him once), when he was eking out a living on the airshow circuit autographing copies of his autobiography. This was in the late 70s, a couple of years after the TV show had made his name a household word. Even then -- completely in awe of his wartime accomplishments and unfazed by the brush-off I got from him when I didn&#039;t have the $12.50 to buy his book -- it seemed to me he had a kind of sad existence. As Fouled Anchor says, a &quot;great hero with great failings.&quot; 

I would really recommend Bruce Gamble&#039;s &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Black-Sheep-Bruce-Gamble/dp/0891418253/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258573473&amp;sr=1-4&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Black Sheep&lt;/a&gt;&quot; to anyone interested in Boyington&#039;s story, or that of VMF-214. It&#039;s not very complimentary to Boyington, but highly worthwhile whether you&#039;ve read Boyington&#039;s autobiography or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Boyington several times when I was a teenager (spoke to him once), when he was eking out a living on the airshow circuit autographing copies of his autobiography. This was in the late 70s, a couple of years after the TV show had made his name a household word. Even then &#8212; completely in awe of his wartime accomplishments and unfazed by the brush-off I got from him when I didn&#8217;t have the $12.50 to buy his book &#8212; it seemed to me he had a kind of sad existence. As Fouled Anchor says, a &#8220;great hero with great failings.&#8221; </p>
<p>I would really recommend Bruce Gamble&#8217;s &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Black-Sheep-Bruce-Gamble/dp/0891418253/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1258573473&amp;sr=1-4" rel="nofollow">The Black Sheep</a>&#8221; to anyone interested in Boyington&#8217;s story, or that of VMF-214. It&#8217;s not very complimentary to Boyington, but highly worthwhile whether you&#8217;ve read Boyington&#8217;s autobiography or not.</p>
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		<title>By: William Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, most of the UW Senate members positions were of the anti-warmonger variety, but I threw in the &quot;rich white guy&quot; comment to illustrate how factually challenged some of those people are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, most of the UW Senate members positions were of the anti-warmonger variety, but I threw in the &#8220;rich white guy&#8221; comment to illustrate how factually challenged some of those people are.</p>
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		<title>By: UltimaRatioReg</title>
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		<dc:creator>UltimaRatioReg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, he was frequently drunk, seen cavorting with young female companions and generally considered a PR disaster...&quot;

So was Teddy Kennedy.  And most of Hollywood.  And none among them were awarded The Congressional Medal of Honor, or suffered through captivity as a POW at the hands of the Japanese.  

Boyington isn&#039;t the only loose cannon the Marine Corps produced out of that war and others.  But nothing he did or failed at after the war diminishes his accomplishments or the courage it took to do what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, he was frequently drunk, seen cavorting with young female companions and generally considered a PR disaster&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So was Teddy Kennedy.  And most of Hollywood.  And none among them were awarded The Congressional Medal of Honor, or suffered through captivity as a POW at the hands of the Japanese.  </p>
<p>Boyington isn&#8217;t the only loose cannon the Marine Corps produced out of that war and others.  But nothing he did or failed at after the war diminishes his accomplishments or the courage it took to do what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevekaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevekaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some hero&#039;s problems later in life ARE relevant. Randy Cunningham&#039;s performance as one of the few US aces in Vietnam was extraordinary, but his subsequent moral and legal failings as a US Congressman cannot and should not be ignored either...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some hero&#8217;s problems later in life ARE relevant. Randy Cunningham&#8217;s performance as one of the few US aces in Vietnam was extraordinary, but his subsequent moral and legal failings as a US Congressman cannot and should not be ignored either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: XBradTC</title>
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		<dc:creator>XBradTC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wm. Powell, my recollection of the UW fiasco was that they didn&#039;t want to memorialize a warmonger, more than his racial and socioeconomic background, for fear that some poor, unenlightened soul might somehow embrace the mistaken notion that military service could be honorable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wm. Powell, my recollection of the UW fiasco was that they didn&#8217;t want to memorialize a warmonger, more than his racial and socioeconomic background, for fear that some poor, unenlightened soul might somehow embrace the mistaken notion that military service could be honorable.</p>
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		<title>By: William Powell</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Powell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compare his behavior after the war to the kind of sideshow freak lives that many of our current celebrities live.  It is distressing to think that certain people in Coeur d’Alene couldn&#039;t stomach Pappy&#039;s excesses, but are probably avidly following the escapades of the Hollywood &quot;elite.&quot;  There was also a recent attempt to place a memorial for Pappy on the campus of Washington State University, his alma mater.  It seems some of the folks in the Student Government didn&#039;t want either a Marine or a &quot;rich white guy&quot; representing their fair institution.  It is true that he was a marine, but he wasn&#039;t priveleged and had to work his way through school.  Neither was he a &quot;white guy&quot; by our current PC standards as he was part Sioux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compare his behavior after the war to the kind of sideshow freak lives that many of our current celebrities live.  It is distressing to think that certain people in Coeur d’Alene couldn&#8217;t stomach Pappy&#8217;s excesses, but are probably avidly following the escapades of the Hollywood &#8220;elite.&#8221;  There was also a recent attempt to place a memorial for Pappy on the campus of Washington State University, his alma mater.  It seems some of the folks in the Student Government didn&#8217;t want either a Marine or a &#8220;rich white guy&#8221; representing their fair institution.  It is true that he was a marine, but he wasn&#8217;t priveleged and had to work his way through school.  Neither was he a &#8220;white guy&#8221; by our current PC standards as he was part Sioux.</p>
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