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		<title>By: Maritime Monday 190</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-176356</link>
		<dc:creator>Maritime Monday 190</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US Naval Institute Blog has an interview with US-based the owner of Nexus Consulting Group, a firm that specializes in placing armed teams on cargo ships in &#8220;RPG’s vs fire hoses: place your bets&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] US Naval Institute Blog has an interview with US-based the owner of Nexus Consulting Group, a firm that specializes in placing armed teams on cargo ships in &#8220;RPG’s vs fire hoses: place your bets&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UltimaRatioReg</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-176344</link>
		<dc:creator>UltimaRatioReg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Grampa.  

Wonder if the hijacking of the Greek MV Maran Centaurus is the beginning of a transition to choking off crude supplies, either on their own initiative or at the suggestion of their AQ associates.

&quot;Millions for tribute, but not one cent for defense!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Grampa.  </p>
<p>Wonder if the hijacking of the Greek MV Maran Centaurus is the beginning of a transition to choking off crude supplies, either on their own initiative or at the suggestion of their AQ associates.</p>
<p>&#8220;Millions for tribute, but not one cent for defense!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Grandpa Bluewater</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-176256</link>
		<dc:creator>Grandpa Bluewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every payment to a pirate improves the pirate&#039;s ships and  weapons, increases the bribes they can pay for information, and emboldens them. Raising the price in blood and treasure to suppress them again.

Fifteen years ago they were stealing lines and brass fittings off the deck after moonset. Now they demand millions in ransom.  

Absent the will to pay for security (and at the moment it is absent in most cases) next year it will be bloodier and more costly to live with. And every year there after until the tipping point (likely in blood) is reached. The price for squeamishness and denial will be very high.

&quot;The only thing new is the history you haven&#039;t read.&quot;: Harry Truman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every payment to a pirate improves the pirate&#8217;s ships and  weapons, increases the bribes they can pay for information, and emboldens them. Raising the price in blood and treasure to suppress them again.</p>
<p>Fifteen years ago they were stealing lines and brass fittings off the deck after moonset. Now they demand millions in ransom.  </p>
<p>Absent the will to pay for security (and at the moment it is absent in most cases) next year it will be bloodier and more costly to live with. And every year there after until the tipping point (likely in blood) is reached. The price for squeamishness and denial will be very high.</p>
<p>&#8220;The only thing new is the history you haven&#8217;t read.&#8221;: Harry Truman</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Fry</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-176224</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Fry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Will O&#039;Neil Says: This is a nice sales pitch for Mr. Doherty’s no doubt excellent services, except that it doesn’t deal with what actually matters: money. Sure, a highjacking is expensive for the insurers, but the loss rate is still very low because only a small fraction of ships in the region actually fall afoul of pirates. So the insurance rates remain pretty modest, and that means that operators cannot save anywhere near enough to pay for an armed security detail, even if the insurers would give them a rate break in return — which they definitely have no intention of doing.&quot;

Well it seems that this is not actually the case. Lloyd&#039;s List is reporting:
&quot;SHIPOWNERS face some tough bargaining with insurers as the cost of buying ransom cover soars and some underwriters start to exclude this risk from standard policies.

The amounts being charged vary enormously from one owner to another, depending on the type of ship travelling in pirate-infested waters, the actual route or destination and the negotiating power of the vessel’s operator. To complicate matters further, some insurance markets include piracy risks in hull and machinery policies, while others such as London and Oslo regard piracy as a war risk.

As annual war risk policies expire, underwriters are beginning to separate kidnap and ransom and charge a far higher premium for bespoke cover for ships travelling in specified areas.&quot; - Shipowners face battle with insurers over soaring piracy cover, by Janet Porter

Insurance did not help the owners of the ARCTIC SEA given that they went bankcrupt over the hijacking of their ship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Will O&#8217;Neil Says: This is a nice sales pitch for Mr. Doherty’s no doubt excellent services, except that it doesn’t deal with what actually matters: money. Sure, a highjacking is expensive for the insurers, but the loss rate is still very low because only a small fraction of ships in the region actually fall afoul of pirates. So the insurance rates remain pretty modest, and that means that operators cannot save anywhere near enough to pay for an armed security detail, even if the insurers would give them a rate break in return — which they definitely have no intention of doing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well it seems that this is not actually the case. Lloyd&#8217;s List is reporting:<br />
&#8220;SHIPOWNERS face some tough bargaining with insurers as the cost of buying ransom cover soars and some underwriters start to exclude this risk from standard policies.</p>
<p>The amounts being charged vary enormously from one owner to another, depending on the type of ship travelling in pirate-infested waters, the actual route or destination and the negotiating power of the vessel’s operator. To complicate matters further, some insurance markets include piracy risks in hull and machinery policies, while others such as London and Oslo regard piracy as a war risk.</p>
<p>As annual war risk policies expire, underwriters are beginning to separate kidnap and ransom and charge a far higher premium for bespoke cover for ships travelling in specified areas.&#8221; &#8211; Shipowners face battle with insurers over soaring piracy cover, by Janet Porter</p>
<p>Insurance did not help the owners of the ARCTIC SEA given that they went bankcrupt over the hijacking of their ship.</p>
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		<title>By: No snake oil salesmen</title>
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		<dc:creator>No snake oil salesmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 14:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nick, thanks for the &quot;great&quot; support on our ship. I remember clearly your marketing material your past company sent me, that is right before you changed your companies name after getting run off the Biscgalia...

&quot;So you never engage the pirates with more violence than that? You never use any type of weaponry to attack them physically?

No. If in the unlikely event that they might actually get on board, these ex-Marines and Special Forces are all trained in close quarters combat. They will all have their own personal knives on them and obviously it will probably end up in fatalities of the pirates if they did try to board the vessel. Because, while our crews don&#039;t have firearms, they don&#039;t necessarily need firearms to be able to look after themselves in self-defense mode.&quot; -Nick Davis 

Quit trying to push your snake oils on salty dawgs who know better. 

We need guns to fight guns. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nick, thanks for the &#8220;great&#8221; support on our ship. I remember clearly your marketing material your past company sent me, that is right before you changed your companies name after getting run off the Biscgalia&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;So you never engage the pirates with more violence than that? You never use any type of weaponry to attack them physically?</p>
<p>No. If in the unlikely event that they might actually get on board, these ex-Marines and Special Forces are all trained in close quarters combat. They will all have their own personal knives on them and obviously it will probably end up in fatalities of the pirates if they did try to board the vessel. Because, while our crews don&#8217;t have firearms, they don&#8217;t necessarily need firearms to be able to look after themselves in self-defense mode.&#8221; -Nick Davis </p>
<p>Quit trying to push your snake oils on salty dawgs who know better. </p>
<p>We need guns to fight guns. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: J.Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-175674</link>
		<dc:creator>J.Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The LRAD is a tool in the vessel&#039;s tool box but also has many limitations.  It is not all that mobile, it&#039;s heavy and makes for a reasonable defensive counter measure from a fixed position. Multiple pirate boats can counter the LRAD. Fire hoses can&#039;t be relied on as an effective counter measure either.  The change of course or wind can blow the hoses in a different direction requiring constant maintenance, the ratio of hoses vs access points and water preassure on the vessel.  

An armed and professional security team makes the daily operations of a vessel passing through pirated waters safe and more proficient.  When the crew does not have to live in fear, work is not affected, schedules are met and overall tension on the vessel is kept to the minimum.

I wish everyone travelling though rough waters a safe passage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The LRAD is a tool in the vessel&#8217;s tool box but also has many limitations.  It is not all that mobile, it&#8217;s heavy and makes for a reasonable defensive counter measure from a fixed position. Multiple pirate boats can counter the LRAD. Fire hoses can&#8217;t be relied on as an effective counter measure either.  The change of course or wind can blow the hoses in a different direction requiring constant maintenance, the ratio of hoses vs access points and water preassure on the vessel.  </p>
<p>An armed and professional security team makes the daily operations of a vessel passing through pirated waters safe and more proficient.  When the crew does not have to live in fear, work is not affected, schedules are met and overall tension on the vessel is kept to the minimum.</p>
<p>I wish everyone travelling though rough waters a safe passage.</p>
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		<title>By: Svejk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Svejk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stomp the living ---- out of pirates....terrorists....PERIOD!

These people respect force, not perfidy not &quot;diplomacy&quot; not appeasement not negotiations not &quot;here in my hand with signatures upon it&quot;....bull...


So lets show them force!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stomp the living &#8212;- out of pirates&#8230;.terrorists&#8230;.PERIOD!</p>
<p>These people respect force, not perfidy not &#8220;diplomacy&#8221; not appeasement not negotiations not &#8220;here in my hand with signatures upon it&#8221;&#8230;.bull&#8230;</p>
<p>So lets show them force!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Doherty</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-175191</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Doherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction Nick.

I recall reading the interview with your security guards at http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/12/07/heroic-brit-trio-take-on-somali-pirates-before-escaping-into-sea-115875-20951441/ where your guy Mike Kelly was quoted as saying regarding the L-RAD:

 “We thought it would make the pirates back off, but they just laughed. It was a total waste of time.”

With that quote I assumed they used the device, but you also make a great point about the L-RAD and fixed fire hoses… Fixed defenses don’t allow for much movement and become moot when attacks happen outside their fixed scope.

I agree with your security guard Carl “Rocky” Mason when he stated later in that article about what the pirates may have done with them due to nationality: “At best we’d have a beating and, because of our British passports, be high-value hostages. So we decided the only option was to go over the side.”

Clearly, we have to keep the pirates off our vessels, because the pirates will see the US crews as high valued targets, not just bargaining chips in the currently successful business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction Nick.</p>
<p>I recall reading the interview with your security guards at <a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/12/07/heroic-brit-trio-take-on-somali-pirates-before-escaping-into-sea-115875-20951441/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/12/07/heroic-brit-trio-take-on-somali-pirates-before-escaping-into-sea-115875-20951441/</a> where your guy Mike Kelly was quoted as saying regarding the L-RAD:</p>
<p> “We thought it would make the pirates back off, but they just laughed. It was a total waste of time.”</p>
<p>With that quote I assumed they used the device, but you also make a great point about the L-RAD and fixed fire hoses… Fixed defenses don’t allow for much movement and become moot when attacks happen outside their fixed scope.</p>
<p>I agree with your security guard Carl “Rocky” Mason when he stated later in that article about what the pirates may have done with them due to nationality: “At best we’d have a beating and, because of our British passports, be high-value hostages. So we decided the only option was to go over the side.”</p>
<p>Clearly, we have to keep the pirates off our vessels, because the pirates will see the US crews as high valued targets, not just bargaining chips in the currently successful business model.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Davis</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-175148</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is incorrect reporting and NOT factual!

&quot;&quot;However, as we saw with the LRAD last November, on the Biscaglia there was an unarmed British security team of four who were using the LRAD as their final protective line. The pirates we shooting AKs at the vessel, and the security team had to literally jump overboard, and the pirates took the ship&quot;&quot;

The team was 3 and the LRAD was on the stern of the vessel and was not used at all in the attack as the pirates came from the port bow and boarded at the midships point on the starboard side.

The attack was all over in 11 minutes, however the team did not jump from the vessel till 40 minutes later when the helo was overhead - there was injuries to the pirates from the countermeasures and defenses my team placed onboard and did to prevent them boarding and they eventually had no option from the compass roof other than to preserve their own lives as the pirates were very very upset and were hunting for them onboard.

if you would like the full debrief then please email me.

Kind regards

Nick Davis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is incorrect reporting and NOT factual!</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;However, as we saw with the LRAD last November, on the Biscaglia there was an unarmed British security team of four who were using the LRAD as their final protective line. The pirates we shooting AKs at the vessel, and the security team had to literally jump overboard, and the pirates took the ship&#8221;"</p>
<p>The team was 3 and the LRAD was on the stern of the vessel and was not used at all in the attack as the pirates came from the port bow and boarded at the midships point on the starboard side.</p>
<p>The attack was all over in 11 minutes, however the team did not jump from the vessel till 40 minutes later when the helo was overhead &#8211; there was injuries to the pirates from the countermeasures and defenses my team placed onboard and did to prevent them boarding and they eventually had no option from the compass roof other than to preserve their own lives as the pirates were very very upset and were hunting for them onboard.</p>
<p>if you would like the full debrief then please email me.</p>
<p>Kind regards</p>
<p>Nick Davis</p>
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		<title>By: MR T's Haircut</title>
		<link>http://blog.usni.org/2009/11/23/rpgs-vs-fire-hoses-place-your-bets/comment-page-1/#comment-175129</link>
		<dc:creator>MR T's Haircut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maritime Security is going to be a growth industry.  my two pieces o eight...</description>
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