There is a rather stunning article in today’s Navy Times regarding the relief of USS Cowpens (CG-63) CO, CAPT Holly Graf.

I wonder if this occasion will be the celebrated milestone trumpeted by a December 2008 post here.

Regardless, there is one paragraph in the NT article which should do much more than raise eyebrows.  It should drive an investigation from SECNAV level or higher:

Her continuing into a job to which she had already been assigned is unusual for a Navy captain who has been relieved; many fired COs are assigned to the staff of their parent command and their careers effectively ended.

The obvious question is whether a male counterpart would have had the benefit of such “unusual” consideration.  Methinks the COs of Port Royal, Greenville, Hartford, et. al., would be inclined to think not.

It seems, Admiral Roughead, to quote a famous band leader, “You got some ‘splainin’ to do!”

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UPDATE  (20090304) on relief of CAPT Holly Graf:

The Inspector General’s Report Part 1 and Part 2.  (h/t to Lex)

Apparently CAPT Graf is no longer headed to her follow-on duty station.  Interesting TIME Magazine article.




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  • UltimaRatioReg

    “objecting to the comments made on the board that she was promoted and protected on the basis of her gender. Since the accusers have no real proof of it”

    I suppose that is a matter of opinion. Same with the USNA Color Guard fiasco, the Fort Hood tragedy, Naval Academy and NROTC entrance standards, etc….

    There are none so blind, as the saying goes…

  • Disgruntled Chief

    I was an LCPO onboard the Cow for three years.There are no excuses for this type of conduct. If you cant stand the heat then get out of the kitchen. The previous Captain of the Cowpens, Captain Mosher was a model CO. He knew the capabilities of his ship and his crew and knew how to employ both. He had a mastery of the rules of engagement and would personally give all us watchstanders training on the intricacies. Captain Graf was clueless and thank god we never had to defend ourselves or anyone else while she was in command.

    I truly believe that most of it stemmed from low self confidence, because she was at her worst when she didnt understand something. If you were explaining something technical to her and she didnt understand she would tell you “Got it.” that was explained to me to mean stop talking and leave. I dont expect anyone, even a captain, to know everything. So there should be no shame in asking for an explanation.

    There is no excuse for this lack of leadership, despite the position she was in. To attribute her behavior to the position or stress is bullshit, bluntly stated. This is not a bashing session either because she was actually a nice person if you were able to catch her offline.

    Im glad i survived the Cowpens because thats what it felt like, survival. I dont feel like i accomplished ANYTHING because of her. It was all in spite of her.

    I am not particurally impressed with CTF-70 either because her antics were well know, and her reputation preceded her. Literally. The command equal opportunity surveys were horrendous, and should have signaled to the ISIC that there were serious issues. Consider that you see a common theme of negativity in these threads from Sailors that served under her. That is no coincidence, theres a reason. She didnt fail because she is a women, though she may have been placed in that position because she is a woman. The Navy deserves better, and must do something about this because its not an isolated incident. She is not the first tyrant CO and certainly will not be the last. If any of you have questions or want additional info, ask.

    I will leave you with this last though, it occurred to while serving on the Cowpens. If i didnt show up for work one morning, would my Sailors know how to do their jobs? Yes they would. That tells me that i need them MORE than they need me when it comes to mission accomplishment. Wouldnt the same principle apply to a Cpatain? You bet your ass it does. THE CREW IS THE SHIP! Without those Sailors it is a lifeless chunk of metal. Its about time the Navy recognized this. They say “mission first, Sailors always.” But in reality its “Mission First, Sailors Never.”

  • Fouled Anchor

    Disgruntled, thanks for that first-hand information. I’m particularly interested in how the Chiefs’ Mess and the CMC dealt with a CO like that. If the overall morale was low, how was morale in The Mess?

    People like to talk about the command leadership triad – CO, XO, and CMC. What was going on there? Was it simply a matter of survival for all hands? I’ve heard a little bit, but those are the first questions I thought of when reading the original post.

  • RealChange

    Some of the facts that were released and being debated are not correctly portrayed and some questions still need to be answered if this process is going to result in justice.

    The first fact in dispute is that CAPT Graf was fired. Was she? Because I didn’t see anywhere in the original article or from any of the supposed eye witnesses that she was detached for cause. What was the result of the Admiral’s Mast? What was her punishment?

    The PCO was onboard and ready to take over the ship when CAPT Graf was taken to Mast. Did he simply relieve her in an informal change of command? There are many examples of Commanding Officers who have had substantiated IG investigations in the past couple of years who were promptly, and dishonorably, relieved of their command in a very public fashion. I am not talking about receiving a sentence in the stocks, I am talking about the public humiliation and actual punitive measures taken against a sailor who fails to carry out their duty as the Commanding Officer.

    Was CAPT Graf actually held accountable for her acts or was she let off the hook to avoid a potentially embarassing and difficult punitive process?

  • Disgruntled Chief

    It was pitiful. The mantra was “it is what it is.” The survival mode i think was felt by every single person onboard, not any particular group.

    Morale was low, plain and simple. Things were to be done her way, so thats what we had to do as a mess. Collectively the feeling i got from the group was “why have a seasoned group of experts with deckplate experience, if you dont listen to them?” At the end of the day whether you agreed with her or not, she was the Captain and we had to execute as a cohesive unit. The poor XO was a good guy who was completely overwhelmed by Graf, in some instances screaming at him (and everyone else) on the bridge during special evolutions. There is little an XO or CMC can do with someone so overbearing. I think if they had voiced a loud voice of dissent, then she wouldnt have hesitated to give them a DFC (departure for cause).

  • Suppo

    Very interesting reading so far to say the least. My thoughts…
    - not a gender issue but a major mental health issue at its very worst, affecting the lives and well being of Navy volunteers and their families. Truly a shame that this person was allowed to command not one but two ships.
    - Most surface sailors if being honest would admit that this is hardly the first instance of this behavior. So much had been done over the years to drive out these lack of leadership practices out of the Navy. Many, many people in Navy leadership need to take a real hard look to explain how this was allowed to occur for so long in the year 2010.
    - Most importantly, to the crew of COWPENS. My thoughts are with you and I truly hope that each one of you will not let this sad event taint your overall Navy experience. Keep charging! Stand together and support each other! In due time hopefully this event will become a bad but distant memory and a new leadership team will have the honor of leading you for the remainder of your current tour of duty.

  • http://www.ig.navy.mil RealChange

    Navy IG website:

    http://WWW.IG.NAVY.MIL

    Here is the Navy IG website. These are the people that investigated CAPT Graf. The site layout is a bit cumbersome but it is full of information about how to make a complaint and it has contact information for all their different offices.

  • UltimaRatioReg

    @Suppo,

    “- not a gender issue”

    True. A ‘diversity industry” issue. She didn’t fail because she is female. But it sure seems she was picked to command because she was female. Anointed and protected from repercussions that would have ended the career of a male contemporary. How many others have taken 0-6 commands at sea that come with a warning beforehand to knock off the type of unacceptable leadership and conduct that was noted at their 0-5 at-sea command?

  • eastriver

    Many above have asked why superiors failed to recognize the problem. I submit that it is a potential flaw inherent in the naval system, and always has been. See the British mutinies at Spithead and the Noire during the Napoleonic wars, when naval failure meant the ultimate threat to Britain. Sailors knew that; but they had reached the end of their rope, literally, and no one on top acted to alleviate their situation.

    Perhaps it just matters who’s in charge at that point in time when the rubber hits the road and action is necessary.

  • WSC Plankowner

    First, I want to say that I have not read all the comments here, so perhaps what I’m about to address has already been addressed. Forgive me if I duplicate.
    CDR Salamander – you state “If you or someone else has first hand knowledge of her behavior and/or it was commonly known – then ask the question.”
    Those of us who served under her on the USS Winston S Churchill were asking questions. Lots of questions. Reports were made about incidents almost from day one. We even had the 6th Fleet Chaplin conducting an investigation onboard for 6 weeks while we limped around the Mediterranean (limping because of the incident in Augusta Bay, Italy). He was onboard conducting an investigation because she had screamed at the TAO in CIC, in front of everyone present, and at a decibel loud enough for those in the p-way outside CIC to hear – calling him a “f’ing kike”. Funnily enough, the 6th Fleet Chaplin at the time was a Rabbi. We all thought she was finally going down – but once again – she was saved. I personally think it came down to no one who put her in charge wanted to have to admit, publicly or otherwise, that they had screwed up by putting her in charge to begin with. It just snowballed from there – and maybe it began long before she took command of the Churchill. Whenever it began, I really blame those too cowardly to stand up and say they screwed up by putting in her command.
    The incidents involving her happened daily. And I mean daily. I personally witnessed her hit the XO up side the head with a binder. I can’t count the number of times I personally witnessed her whip a binder or book at someone’s head – from across the room or from a few feet away. The woman was a lose cannon.
    For xformed, who said “…. And how, most likely, no one wanted to be the one to blow the whistle.”
    There were plenty of whistleblowers xformed. Plenty. We just weren’t listened to.
    For James, who said “CDR S has the right of it; no one really knows, at this point, what the higher-ups knew about it and none of the former subordinates trashing her after the fact will acknowledge they did anything to make their superiors aware of her failings back when it would have mattered.”
    I personally am offended by your remarks that we are ‘trashing her after the fact’ – we trashed her while it was happening. Hell, do you think we wanted to live in that hell with her? Do you think we wanted to witness this crap every single day, wondering if it was going to be our head that binder was coming at next time? Why do you think the underway OOD on the WSC wasn’t allowed to have a side arm? My bet is that she knew late one night one of them might just snap and cap her a$$. Not a single person on the ship would have ratted them out – sh!t, they would have helped them throw the body overboard. I’m here to “acknowledge”, that yes, I talked to superiors about her behavior. Hell, I myself was called to the XO’s stateroom about an incident. He was new to the ship, and told me quite frankly he couldn’t believe what he had witnessed. After asking if I could speak freely, I told him to buy a pair of blinders, because he would witness it every day while she was onboard. I certainly spoke freely to the 6th Fleet Chaplin as well. Told him every incident I had witnessed. Told him every incident I had personally experienced with the b%&%*. Am I stupid enough to believe I was the only one with enough guts to speak up? Hell no. Oh hell no. Everyone spoke up. Problem is, no one with authority listened.
    When past crew members of the WSC get together (especially plankowners, because we had the greatest CO ever prior to her, Capt Michael T Franken), or even chat over the internet, it always seems some incident about her ends up being discussed. Like war stories. We can sort of laugh about them now – not laugh in the comical sense – more a laugh that we survived it. We came through, with our crows or our collar devices still intact, our sanity, our lives. No sh!t – our lives – we all figured it was only a matter of time before she actually killed someone.
    No doubt there is a long and distinguished list of senior Naval officers we can thank for her command, and more importantly, her remaining in command for as long as she did. But no one, and I mean no one, should blame or judge one single subordinate of hers and point the finger claiming we didn’t make her superiors aware of her failings.

  • YokosukaPO1

    I’m on a waterfront staff here and have seen her at work among the rest of the CO’s and interfacing with CTF70, and none of this was a surprise. Her incompetence cropped up again and again in both exercises and real-life situations; we always chalked up the COW’s sector as a big question-mark when it came to fulfilling their duties as AW. Morale aboard the ship was truly miserable, and I’m just glad they survived long-enough to shunt the “Mad Cow” (everyone’s nickname for her) out of there before anyone died. Oh, and the incident in question was when she literally choked out a JO. Here’s hoping she tries something like this with a Marine in the Pentagon fresh off a deployment and he slams her into a bulkhead.

  • Curious

    How did USS Lassen’s former CO, CDR Simmons, not get relieved for the same reasons? Maybe relieving a female CO (CAPT Graf) and an African American CO (CDR Simmmons), both in 7th Fleet, would have appearances of violating EO despite the fact that both of them deserved to be relieved. CDR Simmons even had the added bonus of running into a Japanese fishing vessel and crossing way to close to a LNG tanker. Something to think about.

  • GK

    Can any current Sailors on board describe the command climate now?

  • Retired Chief

    I had the pleasure of working with both CAPT Mosher and CAPT Graf on board of the Mighty Moo. There were many leadership problems on-board with both of the CO’s. My question would be how did CAPT Mosher get away with causing substantial damage to the ship during a storm and then lie about the ship’s speed during an inquiry. Often times the Chief’s mess was scapegoat for the shortcomings of the both CO’s. There were a couples Chiefs careers effectively ended because of the wrongful conduct of both CO’s.

  • 06BOB

    In ’65-67 I was a junior officer on a DE in Vietnam (not the Arnheiter affair but close to it) where the CO and XO were not “good guy/bad guy” as is somewhat traditional. They were both bullies and very demeaning to the officers. The wardroom voiced numerous “concerns” to the DESRON chaplain as well as anyone else who wanted to listen.
    Finally the CO a (minority member)was relieved early and not too soon.
    Somehow these officers with less than acceptable leadership traits get through the screening by bluffing their bosses. It’s not new and it will probably happen well into the future.

    One of the problems in exposing these character flaws is junior officer complaints are rarely given credibility.

    I have seen the same occur in the business world. It’s just more dangerous in the military!

  • OldSWO

    After reading the comments above, I just HAVE to wade in.

    Some factors that seem to be danced around in the comments are:

    1. Women have been favored by the Navy’s efforts to integrate them into the service. Yes, they have also suffered discrimination, harassment, and worse, at the deckplate level, but the policy from above has been favorable.
    2. The real point of failure here was the ISIC. The ISIC is the one who “probably” got word (official and unofficial) of CAPT Graf’s style of leadership and didn’t act n it. If you prefer, you can apply the standard applied to any sleeping CO whose OOD manages to collide with another vessel. The ISIC should explain to his higher ups WHY this was allowed to happen to the extent that it did.
    3. O-6′s and above, tend to leave things be until they explode, hoping they don’t, because stepping on the wrong toe WILL cost you your career. In this case, it seem to have taken a physical assault (grabbing by the throat) before they threw an NJP at CAPT Graf.
    4. Back in my day, there was NO official recourse for any officer to route a complaint about a senior officer, never mind the CO, up the chain without committing career suicide. The only complaints that went up outside the Command were the mandatory-reporting-to-the-CNO items such as race-related incidents. I could guess there is still no recourse. (I can already hear the gripes: Yes, there was the anonymous call to the IG option, but in my mind this doesn’t count as an official recoures.)
    5. In my own personal experience, I witnessed and was subjected to screaming, bullying, and other abuse and unfairness from senior officers in my chain(s) of command (I’ sure everyone was). I never witnessed physical contact (except one funny episode between a DH and an XO – hey kept it quiet). Even though, in one occasion the command atmosphere could only be described as toxic. The enlisted complained to the ISIC CMC repeatedly and in no uncertain terms. Command climate surveys were done. The only “result” was that after two years of this ship being the most active and top performing ship in the squadron, the CO was ranked 4 of 7 in his fitrep. Sadly, this is often the only official “action” in these situations.

  • Grandpa Bluewater

    OldSWO:

    Well said, and checks with my experience to the last decimal point.

    Stepping on the wrong toe can definitely cost you that promotion to flag. On the other hand, if you muster the moral courage to do your plain duty and remove an incompetent CO who won’t, or more likely can’t, come up to minimum standard, and finish out your time with four stripes and honor intact, is that a worse thing than wearing stars which come pretarnished by one’s own superabundant caution and evasion of duty?

    Well, no system is perfectly imperfect. Some few good officers rise to high rank every year. But let’s not kid ourselves, something else rises with the cream to the top.

    With luck, there will be less of that in the USN than its opponents. With luck.

  • http://www.navycaptain-therealnavy.blogspot.com Mike Lambert

    Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, Mark Thompson picked up this story. His report is here:

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1969602,00.html

    Although critical of the Navy in this piece about Captain Graf, he wrote a story about CDR Kathleen McGrath just under 10 years about her assuming command of USS Jarrett. That story is here:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,996429,00.html

  • Old Fart

    At first I had to do a double-take at “Her” photo because she sorta looks, in a strange way, like a man. Back in the day (1960′s) it was unheard of to have a woman in charge of anything…Today they command warships….Unreal….Regardless, I’m not gender bashing here, I’m sure there are countless female officers that can command, I’m just not sure if it is right to allow a woman that may or may not have her own issues dealing with her gender assignment running a warship or in any command position at all. At the very least, 40 years ago, officers like her, male and female, ended up getting their jsut reward. On the battlefield it was called “Friendly Fire”. I hope this “Woman” seeks help, because she needs it.

  • randy bauer

    As a recipient of this kind of behaviour from my superiors, I am glad to hear that someone up there is once again being ignored. I made such a complaint against a C.O. and was threatened with leavenworth, as if I was the bad guy! FTN

  • http://www.navycaptain-therealnavy.blogspot.com Captain Mike Lambert

    Mark Thompson is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who has written to both sides of the Navy experiment. Captain Kathleen McGrath fared far better than Captain Graf. We would do well to remember one of the ‘good ones’ as we see where Captain Graf has ended up.

    http://navycaptain-therealnavy.blogspot.com/2010/03/in-case-you-may-have-forgotten-captain.html

  • njvaflnyncoh

    I have to ask- did anyone see evidence of this back at the Naval Academy. What did her FitReps show when she was a jo. The fact this she got away with this for 25 years is beyond words. Heads need to role- a good look at her sisters influence is a good start!

  • Randy H.

    If she indeed layed hands on a member of the crew, good riddance. I know of an XO in the 80′s who literally kicked the $&^% out of an RM he caught napping in Radio Central(offwatch at the time). Nothing was ever done to him. In fact the last time I saw him he was a Commodore. And the CO at the time retired as a RA. If you are in disbelief, find someone who was on the Gridley in the mid-eighties.

  • Former Scopedope

    You know, most of the way through the comments I was ambivalent about the “gender-preference” issue and whether or not it was relevant here. Bad COs happen, after all. But then I read,

    “she had screamed at the TAO in CIC, in front of everyone present, and at a decibel loud enough for those in the p-way outside CIC to hear – calling him a “f’ing kike”.”

    OK- THAT seals it. It is utterly inconceivable that ANY CO (or anyone else) could get away with screaming a racial slur at an officer in front of multiple witnesses, unless “special treatment’ was the order of the day. That’s a CNO-attention level offense. For whatever political reason, CAPT Graf was being protected from the top down.

  • Gary Hammond

    In response to the recently relieved Holly Graf.

    Go ahead a throw fish at me if you dislike this reponse, but I’m old school 2nd generation USNavy and from several hundred years of mariner geneology. Generally speaking a female naval officer should not be allowed to skipper a man of war ship because this ship is designed for war. There are other positions where females officers can honorably serve and gain earned respect.
    In my observation, the presures of leadership can be excess and overerly demanding in the Navy. The coolness of composure and emotional strengh to keep things together is obviously important, and the crew looks at this composure for strong leadership. It would take the character of a Margert Thatcher or Golda Meir to meet these presure challenges without physical reactions to the rank and file but neither of these woman were in the Navy. However, these rare woman were extrodinary people. Nevertheless, I for one, would put in for a transfer asap if a female capt was installed as CO of a war ship and then seriously question the wisdom of the Admirality.

    RM2 72-80
    Gary

  • Kay Moore

    My last C.O. in 2002 was 10 times worse. He was constantly yelling and belittling the personnel. We were on a North Atlantic cruise and the XO was relieved. It surely should have been the C.O.

  • Dennis

    It’s about time CO’s are being held accounted for abuse, quite frankly this goes on all the time, CO’s have such enormous ego’s they think they can do and say what ever they want. I pray that more people start waging complaints against Commanding Officers who verbaly abuse and treat people like dirt. You can also contact the Office of Special Council in Washington DC to file a complaint. I urge all sailors/civilians to stand up and take action against this abuse. CO’s are nothing more that a boss, not the GOD that they think they are.

  • UltimaRatioReg

    From the article cited by Captain Lambert, above, a quote from CDR McGrath’s Exec:

    “She’s not in command because she’s a woman,” says her second-in-command, Lieutenant Commander Joseph Chiaravallotti. “She’s in command because she’s better than everyone else who’s not in command.”

    Could the same ever have been said about Holly Graf?

  • DParks

    Just a few comments about this thread: I enlisted in 1953, when the Navy was different. I owe most of my subsequent success in life to the training and values the Navy gave me. After I left the service I worked on Navy avionics programs until 1996, riding most of the CGs and DDGs then in commission as a TechRep. I know it’s stupid to yearn for the old days and I know you got to adapt or die, but putting hysterical females in command positions is worse than stupid. Ask yourselves, people, whether the USN should begin to resemble the Dutch Navy a few years from now.
    Finally – I notice there are few- to-no misspellings and grammatical errors in this thread. Hallelujah!

  • UltimaRatioReg

    DParks,

    “I notice there are few- to-no misspellings and grammatical errors in this thread. ”

    That is on account of we talk and write English wicked good! :)

  • John Cannon

    The article concerning Capt. Graf, and her dismissal is interesting. I served in the USN from 1970-1974, and it appears that the “species” is the same, only the gender is different. Commanders with this type of personality discourage many people from remainig in the USN.
    Yet, time and again, all the USN does is reassign these “bullies” and make then someone elses problem.
    Perhaps it is time to bring these abrasive individuals up on charges, court martial them, and for punsihment, strip them of their pension.
    AS someone who has owned and managed his own company, it is clear to me that people only do what they know they can get away with.
    Regards,
    John

  • Twidget

    I having witnessed her as a junior officer back when she was on a DESRON staff in the 90′s could have told you then that she was unfit to be in command based on her attitude and lack of any real leadership skill. A good leader will never have to yell or badger people repeatedly to obtain the desired result. She was mean and abusive and had an axe to grind with most any male she came across back then. She was fully vested in the Patsy Schroeder school of military leadership – i.e. if I don’t get what I want threaten charges or make accusations of sexual harassment. The problem lies with the senior officer some of which are now Flag Officers who failed to observe her interaction with subordinates or ignored it or used promoting a female for their own gains. Failure to call a spade a spade is why we have so many failed CO’s right now. Probably 60% of the good JO’s leave after their obligation over the poor command climates they often endure. The SWO community certainly does that. Some of the aviation community is becoming that way. She was bad a long time ago and didn’t get better. Time for her to retire to a life of leisure somewhere where she won’t be abusing anyone. A hard look at every FITREP she ever signed should also happen. She probably hurt some other good folks out of spite.

  • http://ni.mil geraldcupps@hotmail.com

    I think you should promote the commander to full bird.her junior officers were pulling a mutiny.

  • admiral boreda

    The navy is out of hand.there ain’t no team in team any more.

  • Lynn Hawkins

    Chief Cadera served on the USS Cowpens last year. He tranfered elsewhere {ran away} after committing many abusive acts against a fine young man and no doubt others. He is a cowardly cruel individual.

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