If American lives weren’t being risked and sometimes lost in this struggle, such would have the makings of a Peter Sellers comedy. This from the Associated Press:

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia says a former Guantanamo detainee who went through its militant rehabilitation program and then rejoined al-Qaida in Yemen has turned himself in to authorities.

An Interior Ministry statement said Friday that Jabir Jubran al-Fayfi contacted Saudi authorities from Yemen to express his regret and readiness to surrender. Yemeni authorities arranged for his return.

Al-Fayfi was released from Guantanamo in 2006.

He rejoined al-Qaida in Yemen, where the terror network’s local offshoot is attacking Western targets and Yemeni security forces and leaders. The offshoot also claimed responsibility for the failed attempt to bomb a Detroit-bound airliner in December.

The catch-and-release program on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan is a dangerous farce. Mind-boggling, in fact. Exceeded only by the idea that terror suspects captured as illegal combatants in combat with US forces should be granted full rights and privileges of Prisoners of War.

Which is exceeded exponentially by the notion that such suspects should be tried in US courtrooms, giving them the full Constitutional rights that any US citizen has in a court of law. More, in many way, than did the three SEALS who stood trial for allegedly punching a detainee.

Fight to win, defeat the enemy.




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  • Derrick

    This post reminds me of this ridiculous Omar Kahdr(sp?) legal thing going on. The guy was a Canadian citizen in Afghanistan the time of the US liberation, and he was shot by an US soldier while holding a rifle and shooting at soldiers wearing the uniform of Canadian allies (ie US soldiers). Yet because he is a Canadian citizen, a deal was made so he could be found guilty on a lesser charge.

    I mean, the very fact he is a Canadian assisting enemies of Canada, he should be brought to stand trial in Canada for treason, nothing less. And if found guilty, face the punishment for treason, which in Canada, is execution.

    OK…nothing to do with the US navy, but I just had to rant… :)

    So here is a semi-US naval related question:
    Can enemy terrorists captured in US military operations in foreign countries be tried aboard an US naval warship?

  • Jay

    Derrick,

    I’ll leave that to the JAGs. We normally have more robust JAG facilities at shore commands.

    My two cents — Illegal or legal combatants — I would prefer we treat them all the same & bring them to the US (not Gitmo). POW status for all of them doesn’t bother me at all.

    Gitmo is a stain on our honor & national character, and should be closed asap. We have adequate facilities here in the US for this.

    I hope the DoD & DoJ can figure out a way to make this happen, with of course, the always required background political theater provided by Congress. Sigh…

  • Grandpa Bluewater

    Jay: “Gitmo is a stain on our honor and national character”.

    An ugly slur on the good name of the sailors who serve there.

    I find it highly offensive. Please cease, or provide specifics.
    Verified and verifiable specifics.

    How, exactly. Times, dates, evidence, alleged outrages on whom, by name, by whom, by name.

    Repeated allegation is not proof, not even evidence. Repeated allegation without evidence or proof is often propaganda. Who could possibly benefit from that?

  • Chuck Hill

    Grampa, even if nothing wrong was done, secrecy breeds suspicion and feeds the paranoia of those who see conspiracies. I would also like to see us close GITMO, or at least get it back to being primarily known for training ships.

  • Matt Yankee

    I believe this is an issue among ourselves and doesn’t harm us overseas anymore than the fact that we have invaded two middle eastern countries and currently have hundreds of thousands of troops on their soil…rightfully so.

    If I was thinking of joining an insurgency I would fear an Island Prison much more than the state pen. This is a War which should be waged by the military and the sympathetic sensitivity lawyers should stay out of it. The enemy will find whatever lies he can to provide propaganda…do not listen to it…or react to it. Just seek the enemy and kill him so that we can enentualy win the war which should be the overriding goal and could be accompished much sooner than closing gitmo. News this morning of UBL living comfortably in Pakistan should be the focus. Win the War and then close Gitmo in honor of victory.

  • Byron

    Sure, no problem Chuck. Just tell us what to do with terrorists who are NOT US citizens and thus not afforded our civil rights?

  • Matt Yankee

    They are NOT US citizens and they are ALSO NOT uniformed therefore they ARE ILLEGAL COMBATANTS and should be executed as illegal, genocidal, murdering, spawns of the devil they are. The ironic thing is they deserve to be tortured to death…yet they live in relative luxury in GITMO compared to the life the live in their Home Butthole of Earth called Afghanistan.

    They do not show sensitiviy in their own barbaric acts yet we are afraid of what they think about GITMO…give me a break.

  • Chuck Hill

    “They do not show sensitiviy in their own barbaric acts yet we are afraid of what they think about GITMO…give me a break.”

    It’s not what they think that is important, it is what we and the rest of the world think of ourselves. We need to maintain the moral ascendancy. What people think of you does matter.

  • Matt Yankee

    Does it matter that the fact is they are treated very well at GITMO or not? If we are worried about what we think of ourselves it would be wise to base our beliefs on fact and not convince ourselves that their propaganda is valid. NO torture occurrs in GITMO…so why whould we move it? Is there something unique at GITMO that would make it impossible for them to claim we are torturing at the next place whereever that is? It should be no surprise they are liars so why can’t we believe they would lie again? What if they claim Leavenworth is the new Torture House…are we going to close another perfectly good prison if they want us to do that too? How many millions of dollars have we spent making GITMO into a first class terrorist retreat? Do the majority of taxpayers that paid for it and don’t care to see it closed matter?

  • UltimaRatioReg

    Chuck,

    The only moral ascendancy that we need to point to consists of two things:

    These prisoners were not summarily executed (hanged or shot), which would be well within the Geneva rules of war.

    These prisoners are treated humanely. The have shelter, food, and clothing, and have the ability to practice their religion unhindered.

    Any other opinion the “rest of the world” may have that cannot reconcile those two facts is not one we need be concerned with. There are those who will hate us no matter what we do.

  • Old Air Force Sarge

    Amen URR. Your posts always straddle the target on the first salvo.

  • Byron

    Seeing how the Jarhead is a cannon cocker by trade, he better :)

  • Jay

    Chuck’s right. We can and should do better. I hope we do soon. Plenty of secure prisons in the US to hold them — where again is the one that is/was closing — and the town wanted to take the Gitmo detainees? Blocked by their grandstanding Republican Senator? I will google & check it out.

    GB — no slur on anyone at all who served there. Orders are orders. It still is beneath us, or should be.

  • Matt Yankee

    I thought 9/11 should’ve been beneath us but that was straight over our heads and we’ve paid dearly for our arrogance in believing we didn’t have to bother with those beneath us in Afgahnistan prior.

  • Jay

    Matt — you make no sense. Geez, Louise…

  • Matt Yankee

    Maybe its just over your head or beneath you…we should’ve been on the ball with understanding and countering the terrorists in Afghanistan who stated clearly their intentions and acted on them way before 9/11…yet we did not act adequately on the threat because in my view we thought they were just not worthy of the #1 military in the world. In this way the terrorists were beneath us and we paid for it.

  • Byron

    “and the town wanted to take the Gitmo detainees? Blocked by their grandstanding Republican Senator? I will google & check it out.”

    So the method is to toss a little slander around and then check the facts? I never knew…

  • Derrick

    Sorry…made a mistake earlier…Canada doesn’t execute traitors…the penalty for treason here is life imprisonment.

  • Matt Yankee

    I think these terrorists are in a class all their own…beyond traitors or such polite words as “enemy combatants”. For me they belong in the category of Hitler…basicly genocidal maniacs that are bent on mass murder on a scale that would make Hitler blush in Hell. They are even targeting the exact same group of people…the Jews. It blows me away that Americans would be OK with giving them the same rights as US citizens.

    History repeating itself…complete with naive apologists at the beginning of a long struggle, just like in the 30′s.

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