Ship using Fire Hose Defense

Sunday at 5pm (U.S. Eastern) on Midrats we’re going to be talking piracy Episode 60 Defense Against Piracy Tactical Operational 2/27/2011 – Midrats:

Join Navy milbloggers Sal from “CDR Salamander” and EagleOne from “Eagle Speak” as they discuss the tactical and operational steps mariners can take to defend themselves and their ships from pirates – and if their ship is taken – what they can do to best enable coalition forces to re-take the ship. Our guest will Kevin Doherty, former Marine and owner of Nexus Consulting Group of Alexandria.




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  • Grandpa Bluewater
  • Andy (JADAA)

    Grandpa,
    Thanks for posting that. My father and grandfather were both MEBA engineers, so this is something of a “family” issue for me. I appreciate all the seafaring unions coming together to argue the point that the US merchies are asking for the same benefit of law the average citizen is entitled to. Of course the curmudgeon in me would not be surprised that given the fact that the CG is part of DHS, their masters will be horrified at the idea of mere lowly civilians trying to defend themselves and will no doubt suggest something more effective, such as TSA detachments aboard each vessel to work 8-hour shifts wanding and x-raying all boarders for deadly weapons. ;)

  • Byron

    My father was a radio officer in the Merchant Marine, starting in 1946 until 1998. He’d no more sail into pirate infested waters without weapons than he would without his schematics and repair and testing kits to fix the radios and radars. Granted, he didn’t care for guns…but he was far from stupid, too.

  • Lynda Roy

    Excellent discussion. Thanks. I’m one of those blue water sailors (USCG master mariner) who felt the Quest made a serious error in judgement choosing to navigate those waters. Unfortunately, they died for their foolishness. I would like to see decisive action taken there to open up transit for recreational vessels, but I appreciate the complexities. Until then when going around I’ll take the Cape of Good Hope and hope the rogue waves don’t get me.
    LR

  • http://fredfryinternational.blogspot.com/ Fred Fry

    Nice discussion.

    Onboard armed defense is going to greatly increase in importance before this is all over. Piracy is spreading much faster and farther than organized action to fight it.

  • http://fredfryinternational.blogspot.com/ Fred Fry

    The Somali pirates have caught more cruisers:

    “Three Danish children and their parents have been snatched by pirates who hijacked their sailing boat in the Indian Ocean, Danish officials say.

    Denmark’s foreign ministry said the children were aged between 12 and 16, and that two Danish crew members were also captured during the attack.

    Pirates seized the boat on 24 February and were said to be heading to Somalia.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12600251

  • http://www.coatneyhistory.com Lou Coatney

    This is like the Barbary Pirates in the early 1800s: the great powers afraid to act decisively, so a resolute lesser power – us – goes in and cleans up.

    If pirates and reasonably suspected pirates can no longer be hanged on sight, maybe it is time for Q Ship tactics: some SEALs masquerading as yachtspeople in a heavily armed and armored sailboat, etc. That might at least deter attacks on yachts.

    God help those kids.

  • http://LCoat.tripod.com Black Arrow

    This is like the Barbary Pirates in the early 1800s: the great powers afraid to act decisively, so a resolute lesser power – us – goes in and cleans up.

    If pirates and reasonably suspected pirates can no longer be hanged on sight, maybe it is time for Q Ship tactics: some SEALs masquerading as yachtspeople in a heavily armed and armored sailboat, etc. That might at least deter attacks on yachts.

    God help those kids.

  • Patrick McDonald

    “i’ll be your Huckleberry.” Doc Holiday in Tombstone…Showdown At The Okay Corral…. Wyatt Eurp.” Yeah; thats a phenomenal idea to bait the pirates into being lured into the trap by Spec OPs people… SEALS and International Coalition Forces. Justice demands a piece of the action on eradicating pirates. The prisoners will have some kind of lead as to who is dispatching them to fetch for their masters. Find out who the War Lords are and check it out before any head fake set up that was a lie to trap our good guys…then clean the nests of War Lords out…pick their brains and commandere their loot and ill gotten gains. Centuries of treasure could be waiting;Fill our treasuries with the plunder of the pirates. Recover your lost people;your merchant ships; your treasure and the enemies treasure. Make em pay back for what they took. Get your ships back before they are gutted;Torn to pieces and sold off as smelted metals bricks. A multinational enterprise to regain command and control of the free sea lanes of the world. U.S. Navy; A Force For Good.

  • Rich B.

    “Those who forget history are destined to repeat it.”

    Have we forgotten the Barbary Wars? Specifically what it took to end the 2nd Barbary War? While admittedly the second wars focus was more on ending enslavement of Christians; piracy was at it’s root.

    The Deys of Tunis and Tripoli were quickly cowed by power projection. Seeing ships of the line boldly sail into their harbors they understood the potential outcome.

    Algeirs was another matter. Not only were relations argumentative they ended with the deaths of those that Lord Exmouth was sent to free.

    In response he gathered one 50-gun ship and four frigates. However this was not a simple show of force, but a planned military action to bring Algeirs to the table. Lord Exmouth had already surveyed the port. He knew the lay of the guns; relatively strengths of the fortifications and weaknesses in their fields of fire.

    Against criticism in the size of force he mustered; he chose economy of force to help with mobility.

    After a stand off an errant Alergian shot erupted into battle.

    Algeirs sustained a 9 hour long bombardment and the result under threats of continuance was the Algerian Dey sitting at the peace table and an end to piracy in the Mediteranean.

    There may not be a rational actor. There is no Dey to influence. However just as there is no state actor the resources to resist is therefore lessened and the will to resist is even less resolute.

    When the blood of pirates turns their sands red; When their safehavens no longer provide them shelter from the storms of fire at sea; when those they prey upon are walking fearless amongst their streets, piracy will end.

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