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Reimagining LCS

April 2012

In many ways, for critics of LCS this evolution was as inevitable as it was self-evident. As more hulls were pier-side speaking truth than PPT illuminating briefing rooms, expectations would have to change to stay inside the lines of credibility.

Dreams of stopping the run and pivot to building a better platform reached the equal-time-point an election cycle ago. We will have LCS, and it will inside a little more than a decade form a larger percentage of our Fleet. The question remains – what will we actually be able to do with it given its known limitations, unknown tactical utility, and completely undeveloped mission modules that are the only thing that prevent it from being a +$600 million mobile 57mm gun with a flight deck?

Sydney J. Freedberg Jr. at AOLDefense has a nice review of the CNO’s speech at the National Press Club breakfast 12 APR that touched on LCS. Let’s do a little light fisking this Friday morning, shall we?

“These are not large surface combatants that are going to sail into the South China Sea and challenge the Chinese military; that’s not what they’re made for,” Greenert said of the LCS class.

OK. A warship that is 1.5′ longer than a Fletcher Class DD is not a large warship … but she is not small. South China Sea?

The South China Sea is a marginal sea that is part of the Pacific Ocean, encompassing an area from the Singapore and Malacca Straits to the Strait of Taiwan of around 3,500,000 square kilometres (1,400,000 sq mi). The area’s importance largely results from one-third of the world’s shipping transiting through its waters, and that it is believed to hold huge oil and gas reserves beneath its seabed.

The South China Sea contains over 250 small islands, atolls, cays, shoals, reefs, and sandbars, most of which have no indigenous people, many of which are naturally under water at high tide, and some of which are permanently submerged. The features are grouped into three archipelagos (listed by area size), Macclesfield Bank and Scarborough Shoal:

So, we have a warship that has both “Littoral” and “Combat” in its name that we do not intend to challenge a regional navy with in an area full of littoral waters? Do we really mean that – or are we trying to tell the Chinese that even though we are putting Marines in northern Australia and warships in Singapore; we are only there to have quick access to nice liberty ports? Either way – that isn’t impressive.

As Undersecretary of the Navy Bob Work likes to tell us, the United States Navy does not need frigates. Think back to how we have used our frigates since the Vietnam War, and then square this statement;

“Littoral Combat Ships will tend to displace amphibious ships and destroyers in Africa and South America. That will free up surface combatants, more high-end ships … “

That is what your classic multi-mission FF/FFG has been doing for decades – a much more useful ship than a low endurance uni-mission LCS. Just saying.

The next fisk is sad.

I intend to go in harm’s way.
- John Paul Jones

That is what we said once as a Navy. What do we say now?

“I don’t worry per se about its survivability where I would intend to send it,” Greenert said of the LCS. “You won’t send it into an anti-access area.”

Back that up a bit. Littoral is near land. Any land mass is, by its nature, going to be an anti-access area in a non-permissive environment. Are we really going to have a foundation Class of warship in our navy that we will not put in harm’s way?

That is just silly – of course we will. When it is the only ship around and you need things done, either you don’t do it or you ask LCS to. Also – why does it have weapons if you don’t need them against someone who can shoot back? We did build a Fletcher Class sized warship as “Level I” for a nation that is casualty adverse – so I guess that reality is sinking in.

This final bit of reimagining is actually a re-invention.

On that crisis, the CNO tried to strike a delicate balance between confrontation and conciliation. The US and its Asian partners must stand ready to “confront” the Chinese when they trespass on international norms, Greenert said, but the real solution is to prevent a crisis in the first place through quiet confidence-building — including the kind of low-profile partnership and presence missions for which the Littoral Combat Ship is suited.

That describes something the Chinese are very familiar with – the gunboat. I think he is humming CAPT Henry J. Hendrix, Jr’s tune, but others may hear it differently.

The thing is – in the 20th century, we didn’t plan to have such a large portion of our Fleet be gunboats. Most of the low-level missions described above were handled by destroyers and cruisers for most of the century, joined by frigates in the later part … which did a good job in peace, and when it came time for war – were of actual use to the Fleet commander. LCS?

On balance – all the snarky fisking aside – this was a very good admission by the CNO. Though we won’t know for sure until an actual FMC mission module makes an appearance later this decade (we think) – at least we are as an institution starting to talk clearly about the sub-optimal nature of LCS and its limited utility.

Why is that good? It is good because when you send under-armed, under-manned, fragile warships in harm’s way – Sailors die wholesale. It is better to admit that in peace, than to learn it in war.




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  • Grandpa Bluewater

    “When you sup with the devil use a very long spoon”. True enough, especially in minesweeping, but if the thing is a minesweep, you can get better and more effective without paying a huge penalty to get high speed which is of precious little utility if the ship is just a robot boat and helo tender. To clear a lane with robot boats you don’t need super hi tech R&D, just a lot of cheap noisy boats with a high magnetic signature. Clear 50 yards – boom, new cheap boat for 50 yards – boom, repeat. CH53′s tow mine sleds or did, because the sled is right good sized, has to be to work – so you need a big helo. Maybe a model helo with a roomba brain can do the job (!?) with a minisled in sea state 4 (?!)… maybe.

    “Few seamen are boatmen and few boatmen are seamen”, and damn few are aeronautical engineers too, but it’s the aircraft design guys who come up with malaprop terminology like “seaframe”, so they are the shepherds of this design goat rope, I guess. Which is why the whole thing looks like the science project of a bunch of drunken aero eng first year grad students told to use what you know to build a boat. Which reveals what they don’t know, too.

    Form follows function, so if this is a minesweep, show the form and how it will function.

    Me, I think somebody watched too many transformer cartoons and never used a C ration can opener, thus never learning the power, and convenience, and economy, of a simple, cheap, efficient single purpose tool. It becomes ubiquitous and and fills the niche, while opening capacity for more of something else needed for the mission…any mission.

    But I guess pull tabs mean the brave new generation doesn’t know what the hell I’m talking about. But if anybody has a spare J. Wayne surgical can top remover, I’ve got a grandson getting about
    Cub Scout high who might find it useful. I’ll just sneak the physics and industrial design lecture into the demo on the QT.

  • Diogenes of NJ
  • Cap.n Bill

    Isn’t it just too damn bad that the LCS was not designed in the most simple manner possible with well prooven features ? Then the smart people might have been able to spend their time and expertise ensuring that the several drop on mission parts would be state of the art and not a dream yet to be fulfilled.

  • Paul

    Cap’n Bill–

    Perhaps a lesson for all of the smart people who designed her would be to take one of them to sea and then try it out without all of the whistles and bells. Put some of the uniformed program managers and the like (nothing below an O-6, please) on the deck plates and have them run these ships under combat conditions and see if they think they’re effective. That’s what they’re asking some 20 something seaman to do. When they’re willing to put their fanny where their mouths are in real time then I’ll start to think that there may be something here.

    Of course with their small crews, it’s not outside the realm of possibility of being boarded by pirates and seized for ransom either. Take out the 57mm with an RPG from surprise and swarm it with multiple boats with boarding ladders. Hard to fit a mission module in a ship with an enemy jack above yours.

  • pat

    I’m a bit out of my element discussing naval matters, me being an Air Force guy, but exactly how hard would it be to just mount some harpoon missiles on the flight deck of an LCS to at least give it some actual teeth? I mean if the Coast Guard could do it with the Hamilton class cutter (USCGC Mellon), then why couldn’t they do it with an LCS? The Freedom Class LCS and the Hamilton Class cutters are very close to each other when comparing size and weight characteristics after all.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Mellon_(WHEC-717)

  • pat

    Quick size comparison (via wiki):

    Freedom Class LCS:

    Displacement: 3,000 t
    length: 378 ft
    beam: 57.4 ft
    draft: 12.8 ft

    Hamilton Class Cutter:

    Displacement: 3,250 t
    length: 378 ft
    beam: 43 ft
    draft: 15 ft

  • Sperrwaffe

    Again interesting discussion. Good I forced myself into weekend time instead of looking here.

    To Grandpa Bluewater:
    I really have to buy you a beer sometimes…Prost Kamerad!

    To Tim Choi, April 13th, 2012 at 6:46 PM:
    Sorry mate, your are on the wrong track concerning the MCM capabilities of the LCS. So this vessel does not enter the minefield? When do you know you are not in a Mine Danger Area? When no one hits a mine?
    This is almost like that guy who called the Desert Storm MCM-Operation “Audacious”. Thank you very much coach. This “Audacious” Operation led to USS Tripoli and USS Princeton. And the aftermath, when the bloody europeans (who where acutally right about the risk, which nobody in the US chain of command wanted to hear. MCM? takes time? naah…I have to do my assault tomorrow, so go away fairy pinguin) had to clean up the mess left by USN. Operation Suedflanke (that was our name for that).

    Just because you have some fancy autonous stuff just doesn’t mean you will outside the field. At some stage you have to recover the thin in order to post process the whole data flow of the Side Scan Sonar (or even more with Synthetic Aperture). MCM is a lot more than just fancy stuff currently under development. HUGIN and REMUS are there. So why develop it knew? Right, national boistering of industry. How I hate that.
    but anyhow: Back to topic Minefield.
    Signature, Acoustic, Magnetic, UEP, Elfe? Anything familiar? Our Submariners (206A and 212) already love the acoustic signature of those LCS. ASW? Ah, I forgot, all Autonomous now. Remember the pictures from our 206A of USS Enterprise?
    So what about mines? Even a cheaper mine can do the job of finding it. Again the question: So when do you know when you are outside the danger area in the littorals/confined and shallow waters? I wonder.
    ASW, MCM, ASuW, AAW in the littorals. All are classical threats in that environment. Maybe not sexy anymore, due to ASYMM. And a lot of expertise has been burned in many navies during the last years.
    With regard to MCM, at a certain stage you will not be able to use organic means (AUV, USV or UAV). The operational area then requires dedicated means. I am not fighting the organic means. I like them a lot, because they improve my capabilities. But you have to keep in mind their shortfalls. And currently there are a lot. Some of them mentioned in the discussion above.
    You have to be able to use the whole “arsenal”. Dedicated and Organic. They both have their advantages and disadvantages you have to face and live with.
    Just some points which you should think about, influenced by my heritage having grown up in European Waters and that special Operational Areas whe have there.

  • Spade

    “1) It’s not an FFxG.”

    Well, it sure is being sold as a frigate. It wasn’t originally, but then the quotes changed.

  • Dee

    I recall a link and interesting website where a discussion similar to what is being had here was being debated in Canada

    http://newwars.wordpress.com/2010/05/26/build-your-own-navycanada-edition/

    Here is the prefix to the list above:

    Here is a little game that was originally conceived by David Axe at War is Boring, and which New Wars has put its own spin upon. For this particular post we will play around with some funds for the Canadian navy. Of late, budget difficulties and barely averted ship cuts has some questioning just what type of fleet does the world’s largest country needs.

    For the next few years the Canadian Government has allocated about $3 billion USD for the modernization of its 12 Halifax class frigates, plus an unknown amount for its Victoria class submarines. So lets say you had $3 billion USD to spend. Instead of modernizing older vessels which may or may not be right for modern and future problems of seapower, you could rebuild the fleet. Here are some choices of what you could buy with those same funds:

    And then additionally:
    http://newwars.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/canadas-destroyer-replacement/

    Something to read as you bounce back and forth to information dissemination~~ My intent is not to trivialize the discussion however to remind people that this is not a discussion that is USN unique but instead what happens in democracies. Doesn’t make the passion of the opines any less valid.

  • Tim Choi

    Yay replies!

    @Lt Rusty

    The LCS is not supposed to be able to outrun and/or blow up everything that gets shot at it – hell, a Burke can’t do that, nevermind a small surface combatant. The speed, at the tactical combat level, is more for outrunning torpedoes and maintaining range against non-missile-armed swarm boats – 40 versus ~55ish may allow the ship to exhaust the torpedo’s batteries before it gets hit and for the 57mm to sink any of the small boats before they get in RPG or rocket range.

    “But what if the enemy DOES shoot missiles at the LCS?” you say. Well, what is the Navy doing fighting a war against a well-armed enemy with just LCSs? Foolish would be a plan that sends in LCSs without a Burke or Tico in the background for defence against more advanced threats.
    “But that’s idealistic! The enemy will not wait for you to gather all your fleet nicely before shooting!” So what’s the alternative? Turn those 24 MCM LCSs into Burkes with a full suite of MCM capabilities? I’d love to see that, too, but in this (hell, any) economy? Let’s be realistic here. Admittedly, the LCS isn’t exactly cheap either, but it’s still significantly cheaper than a Burke.

    @Grandpa Bluewater
    Influence sweep by unmanned surface vehicles and helos are great, but only against influence-triggered mines. There are still the old fashion contact mines that require you to sail your minesweeper into in order to take care of them…unless we go ahead with all the new fancy gadgets.

    @Sperrwaffe
    It is a fair point – how do we know when we’re outside the minefield? To some extent, the advent of the ALMDS, if it can be taught to not mistaken sunlight for mines, will allow the ship’s helicopter to check far in advance for moored and floating mines. Bottom and buried mines do remain problematic, admittedly. But that’s where ISR comes in, right? What ships the Iranians have that are capable of deploying those kinds of mines, whether they’re in port, etc.
    I don’t know enough about European MCM systems to comment on them, other than the fact that the European navies have practiced it a lot more than the Americans and any effort to clear the Strait in the near future will be tedious without European help.

  • Sperrwaffe

    @Tim Choi
    Thank you very much for replying.
    We are certainly not that far away.
    And as said before, I don’t refuse the new developments. Just some points to add to your post.
    During last MINWARA “Symposium on Technology and the Mine Problem” I had a long discussion with the guys from Northrop Grumman about ALMDS. It opens possibilities. If it will have the same performance of around 11-15m depths in areas like the North Sea or the Baltic, with a lot of sediments in the water column and algae, must still be proven. But if it gives you 6m thats already something and it contributes to the overall MCM Performance. Know your capabilities, their shortfalls and how to make the best out of it or even use it to improve your mission. But I will not elaborate on my favourite and beloved “Auftragstaktik” ;)
    ISR is good and the first step. However, for deploying mines I don’t need special vessels. This makes the job of ISR somehow difficult. Remember the Oil Platform Tenders with their decks crowded with drums which were filled with russian lugems (moored contact mine, also influence possible)? Those things have to be taken into account.
    You mentioned the straits. From my point of view currently the most important thing is to develop a database for the strait(like Route Sourvey)and for the channels which must be used for concentrating and controlling shipping. To know what is happening in the watercolumn.

  • Byron

    Best way to “re-image” LCS is paint “Budweiser” on the side and pop the top.

  • Rich B.

    The LCS elephant is the mouse built to government standards.

    With LCS all we are doing are purchasing a less effective platform than current world designs. If you look at the new Franco-Italian FREMM Class, or even Britain’s much older Type 23/Duke Class, both outclass it in combat capability.

    We have already declared victory on a ship that is incapable of performing any of it’s primary missions.

    I would rather server on smaller corvettes like Israel’s US-built, $260 million Sa’ar 5 Eilat Class, and Sweden’s ultra-stealthy Visby Class and you could create a small forward deployed fleet for a portion of the cost.

    The Danish Stanflex ships include modules with a Mk 48 vertical launch system that can handle longer-range air defense missiles, and mounts launchers for Harpoon anti-ship missiles. These ships offer true modularity compared to our struggling ship for 1/5 of the proposed crew.

    The LCS crew will suffer from being overtasked in combat or even specialized operations as evidence by numerous studies which declare technology development and navy policy/procedure have not yet evolved sufficiently to make such a low manning feasible.

    I rebut the notion that young officers are not voicing their concerns. I have sat across from the Naval Architect and offered to show him where a 5.56 round penetrated through decking on an Aegis CG to the radar room and asked how a “littoral combat ship” made from aluminum was intended to protect the interior mission critical components and crew from .50 cal, 7.62 AK-47 and RPGS (some of the most prolific weapons) in a littoral environment.

    The problem is those closest to the problem are ignored often due to “inexperience.”

    Straifing fire from .50 would jeopardize this nearly billion dollar warship; and it wouldn’t exactly be that hard to hit.

    The simple truth stated astutely in a Defense Industry Daily article, that so many of our upper echelons are ignoring is many nations field large Fast Attack Craft equipped with anti-ship missiles. Despite being 1/3 the LCS’ length and less than 1/3 of its displacement, their employment would create a threat that could attack an LCS from beyond its range of reasonable retaliation, with a weapon that the LCS’ lower damage tolerance would handle poorly.

    I would rather they bring back a Gearing; throw on a one armed bandit and a flight deck and you would have a more battle tested and functional design than the gross expenditure which is LCS.

    Perhaps I’m a bitter old retiree… but there is not “one ship to rule them all.” Every other nation in the world recognizes this; except us.

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