Any pretense of a hopeful outcome from the so-called “Arab Spring” is all but gone. The Guardian reported at the beginning of this month that the Islamists will be the wielders of power in Egypt, and their agenda is precisely what those who warned of their rise feared it would be.

Two once-banned Islamist groups, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Salaf Nour Party, appear to be the big winners of Egypt’s Parliamentary elections. Their plans for Egypt are abundantly clear, expressed in terms that should cause concern in the West, and already do in Israel.

Guided by a Saudi-inspired school of thought, Salafists have long shunned the concept of democracy, saying it allows man’s law to override God’s. But they decided to form parties and enter politics after the exit of Mubarak in February.

Salafi groups speak confidently about their ambition to turn Egypt into a state where personal freedoms, including freedom of speech, women’s dress and art, are constrained by sharia.

“In the land of Islam, I can’t let people decide what is permissible or what is prohibited. It’s God who gives the answers as to what is right and what is wrong,” Hamad said. “If God tells me you can drink whatever you want except for alcohol, you don’t leave the million things permitted and ask about the prohibited.”

While there are ideological differences between the Brotherhood and the Salafists, those differences are far narrower than those that exist between either of those groups and anyone else on Egypt’s political scene. Talk of any major rift that would prevent a coalition is wishful thinking, and similar assertions by leaders of the groups themselves are for public consumption and somewhat less than genuine. Interestingly, the Guardian article describes the Muslim Brotherhood as the more “moderate” of the two Islamist groups. This is the very same Muslim Brotherhood that openly admired Hitler’s Third Reich, and enthusiastically supported the Final Solution. Positions which, tellingly, they have never renounced.

Leader of Jordan’s Muslim Brotherhood Hamed Saeed’s words sound an unwelcome thunderclap in the ears of Western diplomats. Saeed declared last January that “unrest in Egypt will spread across the Mideast and Arabs will topple leaders allied with the United States.”

And so it has, and is not finished yet. There was nothing spontaneous about it. Western leaders, including our own, have been thoroughly outmaneuvered, as have any moderates who had hoped in those early days of the “Arab Spring” for a permanence of the new liberties they believed they’d won.

If the scenario rings eerily familiar, it should.


h/t CVA

Posted by UltimaRatioReg in Air Force, Army, Foreign Policy, Hard Power, History, Homeland Security, Marine Corps, Navy

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  • Steve

    Pity the 10 million or so Egytian Copts who have endured varying degrees of persecution since Roman times – it only going to get worse for them in the months ahead. Here in the West we give reasonable religious freedom to all – most especially to original inhabitants such as the Copts are in Egypt. Whilst it was good to see moderate Egyptian muslims showing solidariry with the Copts after church attacks in recent months, I expect we will now see what we have seen in Iraq, with many Copts choosing to leave Egypt rather than face bombings and murders.

  • Derrick
  • Thorn

    When is the US armed forces going to turn the Middle East into glass? Why do you allow these devil worshippers to keep causing mischief and harm where ever they go?

  • UltimaRatioReg


    Of MORE concern? Dunno. Egypt sits astride the Suez Canal. Related? If not now, they certainly will be if they find the opportunity.

  • Byron

    Those who close the Suez Canal no longer get transit fees and all the associated costs of moving through the Ditch….

  • UltimaRatioReg


    The real hitch for us is our ability to transit Navy ships through the canal. With Iran looking to close the Straits of Hormuz, bad guys around the Bab el Mandeb, and Egypt able to close the Suez Canal to US Navy warships should they choose, we might find ourselves having to fight our way in and out of the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf.

  • Matt Yankee

    Israel could reoccupy the Sinai and secure the Canal with our help if the Egyptians prefer to go down that road.

    Losing Egypt has been a massive mistake on par with losing Iran. The writing is on the wall.

  • Diogenes of NJ
  • MethanP

    I don’t believe for a minute that anyone is surprised by this outcome. The only surprise is that anyone believes in the surprise. Further, I am convinced that this is precisely the outcome desired by the current administration and the dangerous Alasky/Soros ideas they follow.

  • Erich Strong

    I just hope we have had a chance to sit down and realistically prepare for any eventuality coming down the pike up and including deterring any maniacal knee jerk reaction any of those nit wits could try. These are unreasonable, ignorant people, with perverted religious ideals similar to Jim Jones and look what they can do.

    We did not prepare well for Afghanistan and the likes of untrustworthy “allies” looking for a monetary fix.

    I just hope we do. I mean we cannot even make a functional radio so how can we deter a maniac with a finger on the button.

    Already there are Islamic intrusions in Central America where poor counties can be bought for less than a song.

  • Pete Speer

    Let us put something to rest immediately. Egyptians are not Arabs. he Muslims who reside in Egypt are largely Sunni Muslims; Within Sunni there are many sects of which the most radical are the Salafists. There is a separate branch of Islam: Shi’a. The hatred between the two extends back to the first generation after Muhammad. One nation, now two are ruled by Shi’a leaders: Iran, populated not by Arabs but by Persians; and now Iraq, with two ethnic groups — the Arabs consisting of majority Shi’ites and minority Sunni, and the Kurds who are Sunni.

    There are stark differences between Sunni and Shi’a religious philosophy. In Sunni, secular rulers bow to the religious Imams. In Shi’a until the Iranian revolution the mullahs and the secular rulers coexist — render under Caesar, etc. To justify the overthrow of the Shah, the senior Persian Grand Ayatollah, Khomeini, had to newly interpret Shi’a theology. The revolution was successful, but like all revolutions proceeds in cycles with the final results not yet in. It would appear that much of the secular authority is in the hands of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), which needs the blessings of the religious to maintain order. The influence of Iran extends west along the lines of the pre-Christian era Persian empire, through Iraq and Syria and into Lebanon. There are significant Shi’ite minorities in all of the Sunni led nations.

    The radical Sunni Salafist philosophy energized by their terrorist arm, al Qaeda, rules in no nations. The stated objective is to obtain dominion over the mosques in Mecca, now under the control of the Saud family. They would use the bully pulpit to re-construct the First Caliphate, take control of the nations along the Mediterranean littoral and move north through Turkey into south east Europe, and continue expansion in Africa.

    The Muslim Brotherhood will be the largest political party in Egypt. In coalition with the radical Salafists it could form a majority. The country thus governed would not be a Democracy. Egypt has been and is a poor country. The Army remains the strongest element in the country. It remains to be seen if these two elements can govern together and satisfy the needs of the population. It does not have the known oil and mineral resources of it neighbors. It will be the first attempt at a national governance. If it can fill the stomachs of the people as it fills their minds with hatred it may have continuity. Otherwise, the Army will return.

    But this is not the “Arab” spring. Democracy is not the end game and we should not pretend to see what is not really there.

  • UltimaRatioReg

    Mr. Speer,

    You will notice that I use the expression “so-called” and put “Arab Spring” in quotation marks, for a number of reasons, including some of those you state.

  • Too much discussion concerning Egypt. It is the Asian Axis which constitutes the developing nuclear threat for a major war between the West and Asia. The flash point will probably be the Strait of Hormuz; but also at risk will be Taiwan and South Korea, through linkage; and this as the US and its puppet’s move against Syria first; Iran second. The center of this United States further aggression is money and power (not a damned thing to do with freedom and democracy for the Axis subsidiaries). The center of the war will be Israel, which is currently hearing pre-emptive strike rhetoric from Tehran. Israel will have to strike Iran very soon to remove Esfahan and Natanz; the former develops uranium hexaflouride; the latter U235.

  • …forgot to mention…only in a loft trajectory would the GHADR 110 be used against Israel. The glory target is the West Coast of America.